The 40 Most Commented on FFs on Ao3 And How It Helps Us Understand What Make Fans Invest

Just out of curiosity I did a search for All Work – Completed fics – Excluding crossovers over on Archive of Our Own. (This is the search if you want to check it out for yourself). It includes all fandom, genres, as well as paring, sorted by most comments first.

This is the result.

I’ve included Fandom+ paring (if one) + total words and number of comments. I’ve colored the fandoms that have three or more fics on this list.

1. The Avengers / Marvel Universe  –  Steve Rogers/Tony Stark + Bruce Banner/Natasha Romanov – 460K – 37273 
2. Hollywood undead – Charlie Scene/J-Dog – 1.5K – 24523 
3. The Avengers/ Marvel Universe – Loki/ Tony Stark – 268K – 22959
4. Undertale – Sans (Undertale)/Reader + Multiple – 560K – 19147
5. Star Wars – Kylo Ren / Rey – 356K – 17435
6. My Hero Academia – 427K – 16466
7. Fate/stay night & Related Fandoms   250K – 15441
8. Undertale (Video Game) Sans (Undertale)/Reader – 17K – 13255
9. Hannibal (TV) – Will Graham/Hannibal Lecter – 280K – 13107
10. The Avengers/ Marvel Universe – 144K- 12652
    

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11. Transformers – 263K – 10335
12. Hannibal (TV) – Will Graham/Hannibal Lecter – 484K – 10237
13. Hannibal (TV) – Will Graham/Hannibal Lecter – 547K – 10197
14. Yuri!!! on Ice (Anime) Katsuki Yuuri/Victor Nikiforov – 159K – 9920
15. Mortal Instruments Series – Cassandra Clare – Magnus Bane/Alec Lightwood Alec Lightwood/Jace Wayland – 364K – 9644
16. Yuri!!! on Ice (Anime) Katsuki Yuuri/Victor Nikiforov – 404K – 9638
17. Miss Fisher’s Murder Mysteries – multi – 163K – 9360
18. Sherlock (TV) – Sherlock/Watson – 202K – 9332
19. A Song of Ice and Fire – George R. R. Martin – Sansa Stark / Margery Tyrell – 1,456K – 8633
20. Yuri!!! on Ice (Anime) Katsuki Yuuri/Victor Nikiforov – 197K – 8592

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    Sherlock (TV)  – Sherlock/Watson -107K – 8175

22. Undertale (Video Game) Sans (Undertale)/Reader – 17K – 8150
23. A Song of Ice and Fire – George R. R. Martin – Lyanna Stark/Rhaegar Targaryen – 198K – 8125
24. My Hero Academia – 472K – 8064
25. One Direction – 275K – 7968
26. The Avengers/ Marvel Universe – Loki/ Tony Stark – 403K – 7547
27. Detroit: Become Human (Video Game) – Connor (Detroit: Become Human)/Reader – 226K – 7466
28. Star Wars – Kylo Ren / Rey – 124K  – 7445
29. My Hero Academia – 135K – 7310
30. Final Fantasy XV – Blaze/BehemothGladiolus Amicitia/Ignis Scientia – 164K – 7181
    

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31. End of Hope’s Peak High School -356K – 7165
32. A Song of Ice and Fire – George R. R. Martin – Lyanna Stark/Rhaegar Targaryen – 259K – 7146
33. Arrow (TV) – Oliver/Felicity – 433K – 7921
34. Check Please! (Webcomic)  – Multiple – 285K – 6998
35. Sherlock (TV) – Sherlock/Watson -23K – 6993
36. Sherlock (TV) – Sherlock/Watson -157K – 6874
37. A Song of Ice and Fire – George R. R. Martin – Lyanna Stark/Rhaegar Targaryen – 259K – 6855
38. Teen Wolf (TV) – Derek Hale/Stiles Stilinski – 167K – 6834
39. The 100 (TV) – Multiple – 429K – 6790
40. Star Wars – Kylo Ren / Rey – 124K – 6762

(Note: the second fic on this “most commented list” seems to be two people having a discussion in the comment section, back and forth, and little else. Unclear if this makes up the full 20K+ comments. The fic is 1,500 words and has 7 kudos.)

The first fic has as of today (31th of December 2019) 37,273 comments and nr. 40 have 6762. A quite large difference between them (30K comments difference). Word count ranges between to 1,456,000 just over 1,500 words with the average somewhere in the 100-400K range. Rating is mostly M or explicit but with a few T in there.

Out of these 40 fics, I found the fact that we have fandoms that have more than 1 fic on this list. Even more fascinating the same couple is the focus in several of our “most commented on” fanfics.

The Fandoms (and Ships) Where The Comments Live

I widdled the list down to the one with at least 3 fics on the top 40 as the others might be there for other reasons other than reader engagement (such as the 1,500 word story from the Hollywood Undead fandom).

Avengers universe (movies) has 4 fics and is the only one on the top 40 list that do. Three of them are also in the top 10. There seems to be a slight preference for Tony Stark/ Loki paring (50%). Looking at the fandom in general, Marvel Universe tops the movie list of fandom people are writing fandom for.

Undertale (game), with the paring Sans (Undertale)/Reader as the clear “ship” winner. 3 fics. This is very fascinating to me, as this is a pixel game and I’d never heard of it before this search. Not part of the top 5 video games ff fandoms.

A Song of Ice and Fire/ Game of Thrones, two out of these three fics are Lyanna Stark/Rhaegar Targaryen. Does not score on the most posted FF in neither book or TV fandom.

My Hero Academia (anime), has 3 fics, to me it seems that the focus here is friendship. But I have not watched this show or have any real knowledge of the ships. Nr. 1 on the list of anime FF (clearly I need to watch this as it seems immensly popular!)

Star Wars, Hannibal, Yuri!!! on Ice (Anime) as well as Sherlock (TV) have very clear preference for one paring Star Wars – Kylo Ren / Rey,  Hannibal -Will / Hannibal, Yuri!!! on Ice – Katsuki Yuuri/Victor Nikiforov, Sherlock – Sherlock/Watson.

Out of these Kylo Ren/ Rey (as of TROS) and Katsuki Yuuri/Victor Nikiforov are canon pairings while Will / Hannibal and Sherlock/Watson are close to but not quite. (Correct me if I’m wrong about the two later ones as I’ve only watched parts of these shows.) 3 fics each.

Star Wars is nr. 5 of “Cartoons & Comics” as well as nr. 1 of “other media” and nr. 3 on books but does not make the cut on the most published category for film. Yuri!!! on Ice is nr. 5 in anime and Sherlock and Hannibal does not come in on the list (even if Sherlock does fit under the “Sherlock Holm & Related fandoms” which is nr. 2 on the most published fan fiction – literature.)

Fascinating side note: When using the same search criteria as above (completed, not crossovers) and searching by “relationship” we get 2,222 124 fics with a Male/Male relationships, 986 878 fics Male/Female one and only 325 341 Female/Female ones. Meaning there are more than twice as many M/M fics as there are M/F ones, yet only 1/3 F/F of the number of M/F.  If this is because representation is better on Ao3 or because male characters, in mainstream media, are more developed is a topic for another time and clearly needs a post of its own to unpack.

Amusing side note: nr. 41 of most commented fic on Ao3 is a 12 word long Star Wars anti-Kylo Ren / Rey fic. It has 6734 comments. Only 20 comments less than a story in the same fandom with over 100K words. I think this beautifully illustrates how people might both love and hate something enough to be very vocal about it and measuring your story in numbers of likes or comments probably isn’t actually a reflection of the quality of your writing. But it is interesting when thinking of what makes people invest in a fandom or ship.

This brings us to…

Why Do We Care About This?

Well, clearly something about the universe or characters (or ship) is something that people are invested or interested in. Something that people might love or hate – feel strongly enough to comment on. Which is good. Something most of us want; more engagement.

Now it’s our job as people who want other people to read our stories (and hopefully invest in them), to try to analyze why this fandom/universe and why these characters.

At this point, I’m going to point out that both the Marvel Universe and Star Wars (as of 2012) films are owned and produced by Disney. That means their fandoms make up 17.5% of the stories of the top 40 most commented (7 out of 40). These are huge storytelling movie giants, and while not always perfect, they mostly know what they are doing. So studying Disney movies and their successful franchises is most definitively a worthwhile pursuit for someone wanting to improve their storytelling skills (even if books are not quite the same as film,  whatever media you’re working with storytelling is important and similar.)

But what beyond the fact that films like the Marvel Universe and Star Wars films are large franchises with lots of experience (and huge marketing budgets, drawing more people to the fandom with every new movie) as well as the fanfiction writer’s own ability to write a good story (which I assume is quite high with 100s of comments for each chapter) is it that draws people in?

Let’s think about Avengers and the relationship between Loki/ Tony Stark, why has it made it onto this list? Checking the Marvel cinematic universe the top pairing in the fandom is Steve Rogers/ Tony Stark with 25K+ fics while Loki/ Tony Stark as a measly 7K+ fics. So clearly it’s not the most popular “ship” in the fandom, at least not when just looking at the numbers.

Same with A Song of Ice & Fire (Game of Thrones). Two out of three of these top 40 fics are Lyanna Stark/Rhaegar Targaryen yet the two most tagged ships in this fandom are between Sansa Stark/ Jon Snow and Brienne / Jamie with around 6K fics each, compared to Lyanna Stark/Rhaegar Targaryen with a measly 1.2K. Worth noting in the SoIF is that about 25% of the fics are tagged AU (alternative universe), including all three on the top 40 list.

Yet looking at the Star Wars, Hannibal, Yuri!!! on Ice and Sherlock fics on this list, we see that the paring are the favorites of the fandom. Even looking in the “Star Wars – All Media Types” rather than “Star Wars – Sequel trilogy” the Kylo Ren/ Rey paring is the biggest with about 1000 more fic published than the next biggest ship (which also includes the character Kylo Ren). Hannibal has 16K+ Will/Hannibal fics and the next ship in-line only 600+ and both Yuri!!! on Ice and Sherlock also win the “most people seem to write and ship this” award.

I think there are three factors at play here. Character, world and “ship”. Most important of these would to me appear to be characters, but let’s run down worlds first.

With Avengers and SoIF there is a huge the world, which helps make thins interesting for the writer/reader. Creating a canon divergent, alternate universe, where something is different, giving the characters new problems or ignoring things that happened we don’t like can be a great thing, especially if there are others that agree with and want to explore this canon divergent world you’ve created.

These are also two fandoms with very large casts, both having dozen of main characters to focus on. People ship different things and perhaps are not as “fixed” and many of the favorite ships are not likely to ever be canon.

(Though the “who is Jon Snow’s soulmate” question is quite polarizing in the GoT fandom. But, as there is neither a Dany/Jon or a Sansa/Jon fic is in the top 40, let’s leave GoT for now.)

In the big world as a draw, I’d probably put Undertale and My Hero Academia too, (but someone with more familiarity with them might want to weigh in.) Even though not part of the top 40 (surprisingly enough) I’d also like to point your attention to the fan-favorite Harry Potter. Huge cast, fascinating world and a huge number of different ships.

These worlds, the character dynamics between many characters (rather than just a favorite couple) is a large part of the appeal. There are also more characters to pair together in fascinating ways for those who want. And even if you hardcore ship Hermione/Ron, you might still read a Luna/ Harry fic with Hemione/Ron as a secondary ship, if the premise and writing was good enough.

Star Wars, as it takes place in space (and the EU is very large) should maybe part of the large cast ensemble. However, as a viewer, I’d have to say that personally, Kylo Ren (in the sequel series) is the biggest draw and why I watched the movies (and would read fan fiction in this fandom.)

This brings us back around to character, the reason I believe why these stories are actually so popular.

Look at the mains in some of these stories – Tony Stark, Lokie, Kylo Ren, Sherlock and Hannibal. All these characters are very nuisance if not full-on “dark side” characters.

Tony Stark starts off a cocky womanizing weapons dealer, Loki is the god of chaos and mischief and tries to end the world on occasion, Kylo Ren is the grandson of the Darth Vader (and son of the main heroes) who has gone to the actual “dark side”, Sherlock calls himself a “high functioning sociopath” (even if this can be debated) is clearly a character with a different way of approaching the world than most. And Hannibal is a cannibal.

(I’m not familiar enough with the Yuri!!! on Ice, Undertale and My Hero Academia to know if this applies to the mains here too. Sans in Undertale I do believe is one of the final bosses though. As for the Song of Ice and Fire, most of the characters found in this grey world are not walking around thinking of rainbows and puppies and with how season 8 ended, I’d say Rhaegar Targaryen is on the side of one of the more unstable families.)

There is clearly something about bad/ morally ambiguous characters that make people, maybe not like them, but invest. Looking at another big fandom like Harry Potter we can see this very clearly – Harry Potter/ Draco Malfoy is the top ship, with Harry Potter/ Snape no too far behind. And while not as popular we do have a lot of Hermione / Malfoy as well as Hermione/ Snape fics. There are even over 3K stories paring Harry Potter with snake-faced Voldermort!

It seems quite clear that when we have a relationship between a “bad” character and a “good” one, it can be fascinating to ship. Maybe reason one both watches the show and reads fanfiction in these fandoms.

Loki and Tony Stark shipped with anyone, Star Wars’ Reylo and Hannibal are clearly bad guy/good guy. Loki, Kylo Ren and Hannibal are even sort of the bad guy – the antagonist -of the series, wanting to rule the world and/or corrupt the main good guys (even if this is not out in the open in Hannibal). Important to note though, that in the end there seems to most often be some other bad guy or criminal the bad guy ends up helping the good guys takedown. Redemption does occasionally end in death shortly after being “redeemed” depending on the level of “bad” the character was.

But we do love some good redeeming.

Characters that are haunted, flawed, does bad things resonate with audiences, perhaps not necessarily because they are bad but because of the possibility of them changing for the better. Returning to the light and getting the thing they were denied – most often love or forgiveness. Because this is what we all want, we all want to know that we can change. Even if the change we might be attempting in our own life might be smaller, maybe to stop smoking or save money or be there more for our families, few of us in real life actually succeed in changing. And watching a villain make a huge change, turn away from evil towards good is the ultimate inspiration.

It’s why we can remake a hundred versions of Beauty and the Beast. It’s our fascination with vampires, from Dracula to The Vampire Diaries own Damon. Why Arrow and Lucifer and Batman works. Why Hunger Games with Peeta going “evil” is a thing, Fifty Shades of Grey was such a hit and Phantom of the Opera has been a favorite for like a 100+ years.

The Main Points 

Disney is kinda good at creating fans. Also, storytelling and character creation + they have a lot of money.

Bad guys with personalities are interesting. (Tony Stark while not more than slightly gray and not even close to an antagonist, sure has Personality.)

Morally grey or even straight-up “evil” characters are clearly a big reason why some people enjoy a fandom. Written right, a bad guy could one of the favorites, or at least most debated about, characters of a series.

Paring a “good” character with a “bad” one is often a hit. Having a couple spend most of a movie not being “will they or won’t they” but instead, “will kill each other or kiss each other?” creates real conflict and uncertainty about how things will end.

In this group of fics, the “bad” character in the relationship is male (or both characters are male). M/M ships, in general, seem to be in the top of the most commented-on Ao3, with Lyanna Stark/Rhaegar Targaryen and Kylo Ren/ Ray as the outlying M/F couples. (This translates over to fics published in general on Ao3, where M/M parings twice as common as M/F ones.) 

Being bad is good, but for a shot at redemption having an even worse bad guy to team up with the good guys against is useful.

Redemption or change of hearts are inspiring, the bigger the change the more fascinating (if done right) and the more likely that a reader will feel connected to the character in question, no matter how “evil” in the past.

So to summarize this post in one sentence…

Bad guys are interesting, the outcome of the movie is less predictable with a romance between the bad and good characters and redemption makes us hopeful we can change too.

 

Artistic License

Creators are allowed to be inaccurate if the inaccuracy serves the story better than accuracy would – tvtropes

So I just watched Midnight Sun. I wasn’t quite sure what I was expecting from the trailer, but I thought what the heck, an innocent hopefully somewhat cheesy teenage flick is just what I need today. And I thought that was what I was going to get for most of the movie.

Then…

(obviously SPOILERS for the movie Midnight Sun.)

… then the movie suddenly pulls the rug out from underneath me and instead of giving me cheesy-mushy-teen-HEA-feels it gives me twist that makes me totally annoyed, which in turn makes it impossible to “enjoy” the depressing and tear-jerker ending.

How does it do this?

Well, by killing the main character for being exposed to about five seconds of sunlight. Or it doesn’t actually kill her right away but it does trigger some sort of thing in her brain that makes her suddenly stop using makeup and gives her hand tremors. Then she goes out in the sunlight for a longer time for a romantic afternoon sail with her BF which (presumably) kills her.

This immediately made me go

WHAT?

Because that just makes no sense. She’s not a vampire for fuck sake (and not even most vampires would have died from that). Less than one minute of sun kills her? Or at least off her body so she starts to die?

So this made me desperately want to google this disease just as I was supposed to be getting all sad and upset that she was going to die (and had broken up with her BF.) Not good.

A quick google search let’s one determine that while Xeroderma Pigmentosum is a real disease it doesn’t kill you like that at all. It usually kills the sufferers of it because they get skin cancer. Because they have these double sets of genes that make their skin unable to protect itself from the sun.

So Katie (Bella Thone) should have gotten skin cancer and died from that. She also would have been able to go outside in the day as long she wore proper protection and sunscreen, especially since they seem to be living somewhere close to Seattle and everyone who’s read Twilight knows that Forks is in that same neighborhood. And it’s the rainiest town around. And no clouds means less UV light (I think). Especially in winter.

So yeah, Katie wouldn’t be spending her summer’s tanning on the beach but never going outside during the day is kind of overkill. Or maybe not. I don’t know more than what a quick google search has told me about XP, but it seems like this was highly exaggerated to make a more angsty teen movie.

Which I get.

I mean I could buy the whole “not going out during the day at all” concept. Because it’s fun. And maybe it’s her dad being overprotective. For reals. Maybe the plot twist could even be that she’s not as sensitive to the sun as everyone thought. Or something. Dad’s just been exadreating the whole deal to keep her safe or whatever.

Instead, a minute in the sun turns this from cute feel-good movie to A Walk To Remember lite. But instead of making me reach for tissues it makes me feel like I’m watching a fanfic that’s been made into a movie. A badly written fanfic that someone didn’t research.

Or just took too much Artistic License with it.

And yes, despite what Bob Ross wants you to believe (or it might be more true for painting) that’s not okay.

Because just like the definition at the top says “creators are allowed to be inaccurate if the inaccuracy serves the story better than accuracy would” when your inaccuracy actually draws the viewer (or reader) out of the story, that’s not serving the story.

But Alyssa, you say, you write stories about werewolves and wraiths and stuff! That’s totally out there. That’s lots weirder than changing up a disease so two seconds of sun kills a girl. 

Actually, it’s not.

I’m not saying you don’t have to suspend your sense of disbelief to read stories about shapeshifters and magic like BOUND TO YOU. You do. But if you accept that you’re reading a story about werewolves then you’re fine. Because you’ve already decided this isn’t our world. It plays by different rules. So you accept magical monsters and witches and mate bonds. Because within the universe it’s explained and works (at least I hope that’s what you come away feeling).

When you’re writing a book set in what appears to be the here and now, the normal everyday world, you have to be careful. Especially when you have someone die from something like two seconds of sun. And have a disease that people can easily look up and find out the symptoms and how/ in what way a person can die from it. Because your viewer or reader needs a far lower suspension of disbelief while watching this story than when they’re reading about werewolves.

Think about it. If Katie was a vampire (maybe even half vampire, which would make it harder for her to heal sun damage?) then accepting that she’d been exposed to sun and that it now was killing her, would have been far easier to swallow (for me at least).  I would also have figured on some magical cure being found and her being saved and a happy ending (humm, that’s a pretty cool idea, maybe I should write something along those lines!) but that’s just me.

Vampire problems…

Anyways, what I’m saying is taking artistic license is a slippery slope and clearly sometimes harder when working in what is supposed to be the real world. Our world. But even writing fantasy, just being all ‘oh yeah, witches have acid for blood’ or ‘the dragons can fly at 200 miles per hour for 10 hours straight’ runs the risk of simply being too out there and thus pulling your reader out of the story.

Like the Game of Thrones episode where first Gendry runs back to Eastwatch, a raven flies to Dragonstone and Dany flies her dragons beyond the wall in what? One day? One and a half? That totally didn’t work and pissed me off so much I now just hate that whole episode.

Or like the whole Fifty Shades of Grey book series where the author taking artistic license with love. Because that’s not what’s really going on in those books (but I guess you have to be willing to suspend your disbelief pretty seriously to read them anyway). We also got the book Fifty is based on where Meyer’s took artistic license and made her vampires sparkle (why?) which I know turned quite a few people off. Or be it something small, like having witches being burnt at the stake in Salem (where witches were all hanged) or having every person on TV/movies have their finger on the trigger all the time (you don’t put your finger on the trigger unless you’re about to shoot someone. Like the second before. It’s all in the gun safety manual, apparently.)

Almost every book, movie or show will have had someone take a little (or a lot) of artistic license. Because you can’t research everything perfectly and even if you did, your story probably wouldn’t work without the changes. Like Midnight Sun. The whole end is built on this artistic licensed version of how XP kills.

So what’s the take away from this?

Everyone takes some artistic license. It’s just the way it is. Changing facts/ taking artistic license to make the story better is fine. Just make sure you actually have to make that change. Research a lot and try to find ways of getting your characters from point A to B without adding something outragous or unbeliveble.

Also be careful, because while we all do this to make our projects more fun and to make the plot make sense, you don’t want to go changing glaringly obvious things.  Because while some reader will buy it, many will feel cheated and even become frustrated with the story and you as a writer, maybe even starting to feel like the can’t trust you. And you want the reader to trust you, to know you will deliver a good and believel story. I mean, why else would he/she buy your next book?

6 Reasons (Besides The Obvious Ones) Why Timeless Is Awesome

So for those of you who don’t know (and quite possibly) have been living under a rock, Timeless is this super cool time travel show that got un-canceled because the fans loves it so much!

Me included!

Besides the great premise which is both fun and somewhat educational, we got interesting characters (both in the “good” and “bad” guy camps) and enough of a mystery with first Flynn and then Rittenhouse to keep the suspense up. Plus every week a new set of era-appropriate costumes!

While those bits are all great, part of why I love this show is all the small details that just make you either laugh, go ‘awww’ or ‘hum, I wonder how that might affect the timeline’.  There is also the whole time travel bit that I’m still not one 100% about how it works, but that makes me want to watch more to understand things better.

Awesome thing 1 – Their “Fake” Identities 

From Lucy’s “This is Doctor Dre and I’m Nurse Jackie, we’re from General Hospital” to “Juliet Shakes-man” to “I’m Dr. Quin and I’m a medicine woman” or even her using their normal names and being all “You never heard of Wyatt and Lucy?” when talking to Bonnie & Clyde, whenever Lucy is picking their names it’s sure to be something that makes you crack up a little (at least I do).

The rest of the gang have clearly picked up on this too, Wyatt’s fake FIB badge names him as Agent Mulder and one of Rufus’s driver’s licences says Wesley Snipes and he calls himself Denzel Washington and Kanye (which elicits the hilarious response ‘whoever heard of a name like Kanye, sounds made up to me‘).

These are just some extra little fun touches but they add so much. It’s a ‘hey, this is serious but we’re still normal people’ vibe to the show. And let’s be honest, it would be really easy to just use TV and movie characters (and actor names) when pretending to be someone else in the past. It’s fun, easy to remember and takes the edge off the seriousness of the situation a little.

The “Ma’am” Thing

So Wyatt and Lucy’s first meeting goes something like

Lucy: Are you asleep?

Wyatt: No, ma’am.

Lucy: Oh, okay…Do you know why we’re here?

Wyatt: No idea, ma’am.

Lucy: You know, we’re pretty much the same age, you can just stop calling me ma’am.

Wyatt:

So yeah, I think this was pretty much when the shipping for these two began (for me at least). But it could have been in the Lifeboat (the name of the time machine) when he once again calls her “Ma’am” and she tells him not to.

Then we have him calling her ‘ma’am’ after helping her by talking about finding a reason to fight and after she thanks him he says “Sure thing, ma’am” and they’re looking at each other all adorably. Now the ma’am has gone from something he did to annoy her to something else.

The next ma’am moment is when he tells her he’s stealing the lifeboat and going to get his wife back. Which is an all-around heartbreaking scene, made even more so by the conversation Lucy has with Jiya about it later (“Wyatt told me.”), but anyways. He calls her ma’am and by this point it just makes you go ‘aaahww so cute’. At least I did.

So with Wyatt stealing the time machine and all he gets shipped off to a black site and Lucy and Rufus get stuck with another soldier. A buddy of Wyatt’s actually. Only when Fake!Wyatt goes all ‘ma’am’ on Lucy, she’s like “Lucy is fine” and you can just see it’s totally making her think about Wyatt.

Last one his the funniest one, when yet another soldier) – this one, one of the bad guys – calls her ma’am, she’s all “Don’t you ma’am me!”

Okay, I’m not sure if I explained that but just go watch the show and listen for the ma’ams and you’ll see how the ma’am thing is just a nice little touch that adds a lot.

The Gang Feels

So starting out neither Lucy, Rufus or Wyatt know each other. We already got the (sort of) meet-cute between Wyatt / Lucy and the time travel reveal (Rufus already knew about it since he’s working on the project.)

The gang goes on their very first mission and by the end of it they’ve been arrested, escaped from prison, stopped a bomb from going off and grounded an airship by pretending to be terrorists, watched a woman die in front of them. Pretty intense first few hours of knowing each other. And by the end of it (and through the following episodes), they kind of bond.

Trouble is Lucy has some secret conversations with the bad guy and Rufus is recording them for the other bad guys. Which is really sucky for Wyatt who is all “I don’t trust either one of you”. But it makes them saving, helping and re-learning to trust each other even more awesome.

The banter about stealing cars and who is better at hotwiring them is fun. Chocodiles. Lucy being kidnapped and the guys going to save her (and ending up needing to be saved by her) is so sweet. Wyatt asking Rufus to go with him to save his wife in the past, him telling Lucy because he trusts her and just the all-around team feels throughout.

Point is, the team is great especially when they’re saving each other or just completing the mission or do something funny or awkward or future-related together. They’re like the Scooby Gang (only grown up and with time travel instead of vampires) or at least giving me similar feels. Which is great because Buffy was the first TV-show I fell in love with.

Lyatt (Lucy / Wyatt)

If you read my post about my favorite love stories, you know I’m a big fan of action/ adventure with a romantic sub-plot. Timeless has that in both Lucy / Wyatt and Rufus / Jiya, even though my shipper heart beats extra strong for Lyatt because of the potential for angst with them. You know with the whole he has a dead wife that could possibly come back (because of drama, probably right when Lucy / Wyatt get together) to life/ never have died.

Things to come…

Also, I like that there hasn’t been a huge focus on the possible Lyatt romance, instead letting season 1 kind of lay the groundwork for things to come. Sure, we did get that  Bonnie & Clyde ep where they were pretending to be a couple which was kind of fun (and awkward). But what really makes me ship these are the small things like Wyatt helping Lucy with her seatbelt in the Lifeboat, how they just look at each other and help each other deal with the trauma of being time travelers (and other stuff). I love organic relationships a lot more than the ‘omg we met two minutes ago, let’s get married’ ones and I feel like Lucy and Wyatt got something that’s grown pretty naturally.

Number 5 &6 on the awesome list are Amy + Changed Timeline (Need More Of It)

So Lucy’s sister Amy going missing (or well being erased from history) and Lucy trying to get her back is just a really cool touch. Plus even though we didn’t get to see much of them together, I really liked what we got from the sisters, it was sweet and nice.

And while I really hope Lucy gets her sister back I love that they did change things big time for Lucy in the Pilot and kind of wished more things they did in the past would alter the future/ present somehow during the season. Like them actually coming back to a different world because the screwed up somehow. I get that there was so much going on in season 1, they didn’t have time for that, but part of why time travel is so interesting is the possible ways the world could change. Is it a butterfly effect (one small thing become a huge one) or more of a fate one (smaller changes will correct themselves) and even though the show has touched on fate/destiny / free will, I’d love to get more of it.

In fact, I want a lot more time machine stuff and questions answered in general.

Like, it would be good to know just how it would work if one of the team members accidentally erased themselves in a Grandfather paradox kind of way. Like how Flynn suggested Lucy might not exist after he took out Rittenhouse. Would they come back and just not have ever existed and kind of slowly begin to fade (Back to the Future style), leaving the rest of the gang to try to go back to fix things? Get arrested because no one remembers them going in the time machine?

Or are the protected in the lifeboat? Amy’s picture stayed safe in there and then remained afterward (could have disappeared once they got back to the present/ out of the Lifeboat) as did Lucy’s memories of her.

Does that mean the time machine exists outside of space-time? Agent Christopher wanting to keep her USB stick of her family in there seems to imply that is how it is. Do Lucy, Wyatt and Rufus exist outside of time too now? Does Jiya with her weird flashback?

Then if Flynn managed to destroy Rittenhouse and they went to a future without Rittenhouse (who paid for the building of the machine) would the Lifeboat remain because once built, it is outside of the time-space stream? Or would the machine blink out from existence since it wouldn’t exist in the new present?

And, a question I’ve been wondering about since day one…

How does the time machine teleport?

HOW?

Is it a Tardis? If so, where is the Doctor?

 

How J.K. Rowling changed the world! It’s all about timing.

Since writing about best sellers and what they might and might not have in common I’ve been thinking about the timing of books and how it might influence their success.

But before that, let me just mention that this week 9-16th Febuary (2018) there is a ARC giveaway over on Goodreads for my book BOUND TO YOU.  Check it out and maybe you’ll get a chance to read it before everyone else!

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Let’s go back to the good old 90s. Back before YA was so huge,  e-books hadn’t been invented and this was how we watched TV.

Okay, maybe the TV had been around for a while but still, it was a very dark time. Because Harry Potter had not yet arrived to make our lives awesome. In fact, I still remember back before I started waiting for my Hogwarts acceptance letter (which I’m still waiting for. Clearly someone in admissions screwed up big time.)

Anyway.

Harry Potter came along, beautifully and funnily written with a strong and clear plot. It was the start of the young adult genre, of children and teen lit that was more than it had been.

But, remember how Rowling got rejected a whole bunch of times before someone finally took a chance on her?

(Well maybe you don’t, because who likes to tell that story, but that’s what happened.)

My theory is that Potter came along at the right time, just exactly the right time for that big middle grade / young adult book revolution the world was ready for. One of the people she sent it to realized as much and the rest is history!

Point is, she started it – because Harry Potter an amazing story, it’s well written, plotted and it was just what kids and their parents were hoping for. Waiting for. Dreaming of.

If it hadn’t been as amazing as it is, it wouldn’t have hit so big and remain on the best selling charts over twenty-years later. Maybe it would have slowed down

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the YA revolution and all the books that have come after it would have been different. Maybe some of them wouldn’t even have come out.

So did Rowling start the young adult book revolution or was it the timing? Would some other book that we now don’t even remember have come along and taken her place if she hadn’t finished the first Harry Potter book? Or did she start everything? Did the world change because of her?

A combination of these?

Or am I just a crazed Harry Potter fan, trying to give credit for something totally unrelated to one of my favorite book series?

I don’t know. But I do believe that timing at least had partly to do with Harry Potter is one of the most famous characters in the world. The book is brilliant, but would the world have gone for it a decade earlier? We can’t know, but it’s interesting to speculate.

Moving on to the next YA book that hit big.

Twilight

I’d like to say Twilight is both a response to Harry Potter and a reaction to the scary modern world. Arriving as we all became more aware of general creepy dudes able to pray on young girls via the internet / social media + increases in terror and school shooting Bella’s protectors aren’t just big and strong human guys. One is an unkillable vampire and the other a werewolf. They both want to protect her and would die to do so.

In a world full of a lot of scary shit, I think part of the appeal of Twilight might have been the idea that the magic (which was feared just a generation or two ago) would be used to protect us from the normal ordinary dangers that suddenly felt so much more…well, dangerous. Bella was the perfect reader insert and despite the scary situations Bella ends up in / gets herself into, she is always saved by one of her boyfriends or one of the vamps.

Following on this came books like The Hunger Games and Divergent – where the girl can kick ass on her own and Percy Jackson where the main character is part god. (Also books like Vampire Academy and Mortal Instruments fits in with this genre, where the hero discovers he/she is something more).

Are the reader for these books the same as the ones who loved Twilight? The girls who got tired of reading about Bella being in distress? Or is it the next generation, boys and girls born a few years later?

Adults?

(Fun fact: 70% of YA and teen books are purchased by adults (18-64), so even if some of these are parents, quite a few buyers of YA are reading the books themselves.)

I think sometime during the early 00s YA books became something different. They became normal books with teenage protagonists.

Yeah, for those of us who have mostly read books published post 2005-ish, it’s kind of hard to think back to before that. Maybe we didn’t even read YA books before that (I didn’t since I’d just about become a teenager then) and so it’s hard to understand but for a really long time books for kids and teenagers were more about teaching, scaring, warning, dictating to kids.

Now, this started back during like the early days (we’re talking a few hundred years) when books first and reading start becoming a thing. Books, for both adults and teens alike, were used more as learning tools than for enjoyment. Even books that seemed to be fun and fiction often had some sort of message – such as listen to your parents, girls play with dolls, boys pull pranks and such.

Just like fairytales back in the day, this was just how it was. You had a message and you made sure the book or story made it clear to everyone what it was so it could help them do what you thought was right.

For adult books, this was phased out more and more (even if some people still write with a very clear message in mind, be it about the evils of communism, the greatness of faith or to make us aware of increasing social classes) but for kids and teen books, that teaching tone stayed for a long time.

Just ask your parents, or check out your grandma’s attic and read some of those books. Maybe you’ve read Narnia or seen the movie? There is some very clear Chosen One, Judas, Son of God symbolism going on there. Or Tom Sawyer? Or Robinson Cruzo (which was a children’s book to start with). There is often some moral or lesson to be learned. Even when there isn’t, the tone for children and young adult books, used to be very different.

But it’s not anymore.

Young adult books are just books with heroes that happen to be teenagers. There are genres (for a long time children’s books were either red/ blue or sorted into a few simple stacks by a few different, often gender-based criteria. Like SF/Fantasy + Cowboys for boys and Horses + High School for girls.)

These days there are YA books in every genre: crime, romance, mystery, horror, fantasy, drama, science fiction, dystopias and HBTQ and more. Any kind you like. The only difference is often a happier ending, less death and violence (maybe excluding the Hunger Games!) and younger characters, compared to adult novels.

So it’s no wonder adults are reading these books (because who doesn’t like a happy ending?) because these days they are just books. Often with really fun/ interesting concepts and way more straightforward than some adult novels.

It’s not just about the age or teaching a lesson. Everyone can suddenly pick one of these books up to read and enjoy it. So it becomes about the idea, the society we live in and yes, the timing. All those things influence the success of a novel.

So Twilight, the Mortal Instruments and The Hunger Game are books for everyone – not just teens. So it’s not just the social group we define as young adults we need to look at to maybe see why timing has been part of why these books have become successes.

Twilight might have partly become such a hit because it gave a sense of protection from the scary world – using what once was scary monsters to do so.

The Hunger Games maybe gave us a reflection of our world, for while we don’t kill our classmates or co-workers, sometimes both school and work feel like a fight. Right? It’s a struggle. Only the best ones get that scholarship, that promotion. In a world of dwindling resources and more competitive work environments, and government and politicians that don’t keep their word, is it no wonder a book like The Hunger Game became a hit? We’re all a bit disillusioned and we watch more reality TV than any other generation…

Following along this vein are all the half vampire, half-god, half-angle books. When we’re competing for everything, it’s comforting to know you got an ace up your sleeve. This also ties in with Twilight ‘the world is scary’. Only in these books the characters know why the world is scary and dark – and are part of fighting it. Divergent combines this with every teen (and adult too) hatred for being labeled, by having the main character be ‘divergent’ and unable to be labeled as one specific thing.

Not quite a young adult we also got the very successful super bestseller Fifty Shades of Gray, which is similar to Twilight (which make sense since it was a Twilight fanfiction) in many ways. Here you have Anna being “protected” by Christian – who might not be a vampire or werewolf – but he does have a boat load of money. And that’s almost as good. Even if the price for being with him comes with kinky sex the heroine isn’t to keen on, she ends up being willing to pay that. For love, sure. But also part of the safety and wealth he offers I imagine (I can’t say for sure as I only read book one of this series.) I’m sure no one says as much in the book or if they did Anna would probably deny it, but for a lot of people reading Christian Grey’s wealth is part of why he can act the way he does and why a woman might let him.

In a lot of ways I think 50 Shades (and many other similar that flooded the market after its success) can be seen as exploration and a sort of modern-day fairy tale? A dark one, for sure, where the princess chooses to be a willing captive.

Or is it a disillusionment – the new fairy tales often feel darker (thinking of the upswing in live action fairytale movies in the early 10s). Maybe we’ve lost our belief in them, or at least original Disney versions? Or maybe this isn’t really dark, maybe this is the new fairy tale? A reflection how we want the good old days but with new twists?

I don’t know.

Maybe all the darker stories from the Hunger Games to Fifty Shades to Maze Runner and even The Fault In Our Stars or Thirteen Reason Why is reflecting, perhaps, a new generations view of the world. A world now full of things we fear; poverty, sickness and terror. A future where things have gone downhill to the point where we let children kill each other on live television?

That’s a depressing thought.

I for one hope this isn’t the case, and I don’t really think it is. Society goes through phases and so does genre popularity. For a while, there was vampires, werewolves, gods. Then there was dystopias and re-makes of fairytales. Are we still in the dystopia phase? I don’t know. What comes next? I don’t know.

But probably something. Maybe the thing that gets the timing right. The thing we’re all hoping for, hungering for, even though we don’t know it. And here timing is key I think. You can write a great book but unless the world is ready for it (or perhaps if they’ve had enough of books like it) it won’t be successful. Or not as successful. And even if you write a book that is slightly above mediocre – a book with a theme or new idea that the world wants or become fascinated with can become the next big thing.

So…

It means, think a little about what you’re writing. Has it been done a thousand times before? If so, how do give it a new twist? Meyer made her vampires sparkle (and she made the “vegetarians”) that was new. Collins had her death matches be televised (believe it or not she wasn’t the first to ever write about kids killing each other as part of a government conspiracy.)

Sometimes all you need is a twist on something old and that makes it totally new. Totally relevant. Because that’s the big thing here. The timing, well, it’s just an extension of relevance.

What are problems that are relevant to you, today? The people around you? If those people are teens – that’s great, but often problems and moods are bigger than just one age group. So be aware of the world around you. The problems and struggles. And see if there is some way to corporate them into your book.

Happy writing!

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All Best Selling Book Series Have This In Common

 

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A while back I read Story Engineering by Larry Brooks and since then I’ve been thinking a lot about best-selling novels. SoI decided to find out what / if, what the best selling book series from the 90s to present day (Jan 2018) have in common. Just because it’s fun and interesting. There might be some ramblings here, it’s basically me just taking you all through the process of my thoughts on the subjects and sharing the what and why behind it.

I started off with this list of best-selling books over on Wiki: Best Sellers.

Went down to book series and changed the settings to first release and picked the ones with the first book in the series published between 1990-present day.

That got me a pretty good list but there were still a few things that needed to be taken into account. Such as origin language, nonfiction, written by multiple authors and such things.

I cut the nonfiction and books first printed in a language than English (there were only a couple).

Wiki has it all sorted into a couple of categories so I’ll go with those too.

More than 100 million copies

Here we end up with

1. Fifty Shades of Grey (125M)
2. Diary of a Wimpy Kid (194M)
3. Twilight (120M)
4. Robert Langdon (200M)
5. Harry Potter (510M)
6. Goosebumps* (350M)

These are in order of most recent publication date, not most sold copies, (those numbers are in the brackets.)

*Here it’s worth noting that while the first 5 series have between 4-12 book, Goosebumps have over 62 books in print. This means that while this is a popular book series, the numbers are somewhat misguiding and therefore it’s in cursive.

Between 50 million and 100 million copies

1. The Hunger Games trilogy (65M)
2. A Series of Unfortunate Events (65M)
3. Jack Reacher (60M)
4. A Song of Ice and Fire (60M)
5. Alex Cross (81M)
6. Magic Tree House series (70M)
7. The Wheel of Time (80M)

Same thing here with the order (most recent release first). Here we also have the Magic Tree House series which is 56 books compared to the others which are between 3-22 books.

Between 30 million and 50 million copies

1. Divergent trilogy (35M)
2. The Inheritance Cycle (33M)
3. Junie B. Jones (44M)
4. Harry Bosch (42M)

Here Junie B. Jones stands out with 30 books compared to the rest which have 3, 4 and 15 books in the series respectively.

Between 20 million and 30 million copies

1. Dork Diaries (25M)
2. Percy Jackson & the Olympians (20M)
3. The Southern Vampire Mysteries (20M)
4. Artemis Fowl (21M)
5. The Sword of Truth (25M)
6. Captain Underpants (26M)
7. Outlander (25M)
8. Maisy (20M)

Here we have Maisy with 23 books compared to the others that are hoovering around 10 books or so.

Between 15 million and 20 million copies

1. The No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency (15M)
2. Bridget Jones (15M)
3. His Dark Materials (15M)

So not much to say about those, the Ladies’s Detective agency has 9 books but that’s not a upper huge number of books, at least not to merit a note.

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This gives us a master list of 28 books, but if we ignore ones I’m feeling are here mostly because the huge number of books in the series (these are in red), this leaves 24 books.

1. Fifty Shades of Grey (125M)
2. Diary of a Wimpy Kid (194M)
3. Twilight (120M)
4. Robert Langdon (200M)
5. Harry Potter (510M)
6. Goosebumps (350M)
7. The Hunger Games trilogy (65M)
8. A Series of Unfortunate Events (65M)
9. Jack Reacher (60M)
10. A Song of Ice and Fire (60M)
11. Alex Cross (81M)
12. Magic Tree House series (70M)
13. The Wheel of Time (80M)
14. Divergent trilogy (35M)
15. The Inheritance Cycle (33M)
16. Junie B. Jones (44M)
17. Harry Bosch (42M)
18. Dork Diaries (25M)
19. Percy Jackson & the Olympians (20M)
20. The Southern Vampire Mysteries (20M)
21. Artemis Fowl (21M)
22. The Sword of Truth (25M)
23. Captain Underpants (26M)
24. Outlander (25M)
25. Maisy (20M)
26. The No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency (15M)
27. Bridget Jones (15M)
28. His Dark Materials (15M)

So these 28/24 book series are the ones we might call the best selling book series of the 90s and 00s. Some of the books were published during the 10s such as 50 Shades, part of Twilight and Divergent and some of these series are still ongoing but still, most are 90s and 00s publications. Meaning it normally takes at least a decade to get on this best selling list.

The two I had never heard about when starting this are Dork Diaries and Harry Bosch. The remaining I have heard of. I’ve read about half and watched most of the others in their adapted form (TV/Film).

Let’s see them all in order of most sold books.

1. Harry Potter (510M) (Book 1 alone has sold 120M copies)
2. Goosebumps (350M)
3. Diary of a Wimpy Kid (194M)
4. Robert Langdon (200M)
5. Fifty Shades of Grey (125M)
6. Twilight (120M)
   • Under 100M books sold
7. Alex Cross (81M)
8. The Wheel of Time (80M)
9. Magic Tree House series (70M)
10. The Hunger Games trilogy (65M)
11. A Series of Unfortunate Events (65M)
12. Jack Reacher (60M)
13. A Song of Ice and Fire (60M)
14. Junie B. Jones (44M)
15. Harry Bosch (42M)
16. Divergent trilogy (35M)
17. The Inheritance Cycle (33M)
18. Dork Diaries (25M)
19. Captain Underpants (26M)
20. Outlander (25M)
21. The Sword of Truth (25M)
22. Artemis Fowl (21M)
23. Maisy (20M)
24. Percy Jackson & the Olympians (20M)
25. The Southern Vampire Mysteries (20M)
26. The No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency (15M)
27. Bridget Jones (15M)
28. His Dark Materials (15M)

Here we can note that for example the ten last on the list put together dosen’t even amount to half the Harry Potter sold! The top three book series totals over 100M books sold together but only the top six have sold over 100M copies and 14 bottom (50%) of the list have sold less than 50M books each.

So just like with wealth (the 8th richest people in the world have more wealth than the 50% poorest) there is a seriously big gap for the really big sellers like Harry Potter, Fifty Shades, Wimpy Kid, Langdon and Twilight that clearly not many ever make the jump to over 100M books sold in a series (much less on one book, like with Rowling’s Philosopher’s Stone which has sold over 100M copies alone).

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So, now comes times for some fun statistics!

How many of these best selling series are:

Middle-grade books?

Young adult novels?

Fantasy novels?

Crime/ mystery novels?

Romance?

Let’s check!

Middle Grade: Diary of a Wimpy Kid, Harry Potter, A Series of Unfortunate Events, Dork Diaries, Percy Jackson & the Olympians, Artemis Fowl, Captain Underpants, His Dark Materials.

That makes for a total of 8

Wow!

That’s more than I expected, about 1/3 of the total number of the best sellers.

I’m a little iffy about putting Harry Potter here but since Harry is 11 when the book starts and it is read by a lot of kids I’m figuring it still counts. Also, His Dark Materials might also be considered a YA book since it contains some pretty deep stuff. But I think my mother read it to me when I was like 8-9 and I loved it so I’m leaving it here.

Young adult novels: Twilight, The Hunger Games trilogy, Divergent trilogy,

That’s a total of 3.

Huh. I thought the YA category would be more impressive.

Fantasy novels: A Song of Ice and Fire, The Wheel of Time, The Inheritance Cycle, The Sword of Truth

Here we end up with 4 series.

The Inheritance Cycle might also fit into the YA category but I feel it is more fantasy than young adult somehow and that’s why I put it here.

Crime/ Mystery novels; Robert Langdon, Jack Reacher, Harry Bosch, Alex Cross, The No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency,

5 books series here! I kind of expected more from this section too. Don’t know why but I feel like there is a lot of popular crime/mystery novel series out there. A few of the series I cut because they weren’t in English, were mysteries so maybe that’s why?

Romance: Fifty Shades of Grey, The Southern Vampire Mysteries, Outlander, Bridget Jones,

4 here too! If you count Fifty Shades of Grey as a romance…maybe it should be in the Crime section 😛 no, I shouldn’t be mean to one of the best selling book series out there. Clearly, something about it made people love it even if I can’t understand it!

The Southern Vampire Mysteries should/ could possibly go in the mystery section but I’ve only read one of those books and from what I remember of it and the TV series True Blood (and it might be more different from the books than I recall, I’m not sure) the love story / personal drama stuff trumped the mystery bit so that’s why I put it in the romance section.

Grouped by my Genre split up + Number of copies sold

• Middle Grade (8)

1. Harry Potter (510M)
2. Diary of a Wimpy Kid (194M)
3. A Series of Unfortunate Events (65M)
4. Captain Underpants (26M)
5. Dork Diaries (25M)
6. Artemis Fowl (21M)
7. Percy Jackson & the Olympians (20M)
8. His Dark Materials (15M)
   • YA (3)
9. Twilight (120M)
10. The Hunger Games trilogy (65M)
11. Divergent trilogy (35M)
    • Fantasy (4)
12. The Wheel of Time (80M)
13. A Song of Ice and Fire (60M)
14. The Inheritance Cycle (33M)
15. The Sword of Truth (25M)
    • Mystery (5)
16. Robert Langdon (200M)
17. Alex Cross (81M)
18. Jack Reacher (60M)
19. Harry Bosch (42M)
20. The No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency (15M)
    •  Romance (4)
21. Fifty Shades of Grey (125M)
22. Outlander (25M)
23. The Southern Vampire Mysteries (20M)
24. Bridget Jones (15M)

This is some really interesting statistics don’t you think? I mean Children’s Book series beat all the other categories with double the number of books. Does that mean kids are bigger readers? Parents want their kids to read and buy the books? Kids are easier to hook on a series and will keep on coming back for more?

Also, quite a few of the MG books have male main characters – why?

And why are all three of the young adult books main characters females? And why are two of them involved in love triangles? And two of them set in dystopian worlds?

For the fantasy books, I thought there would be less of those than there ended up on the list. I’m fans of three of them (never really go into the Wheel of Time) and know those three all have dragons in them. Two of the four have pretty clear bad guys while the others are a little bit more grey (I think?). I think all of them have love stories(but the Sword of Truth is the only one where there is a HEA. Kind of.)

In the mystery category, we have three police / straightforward-ish detective series and two with guys with mad skills (Langdon and Reacher) ending up solving crimes/ troubles in various locations. This isn’t really my genre – I really enjoy the Reacher books and read some of the early Langdon books though, but can’t say much for the police procedurals.

As for the romance section, well I have read the first book in all of those series. None of them are my favorite romance books, even if Outlander does have its cute moments and so does Bridget Jones and so I’m not totally sure why they’re so big.

My suggested explanation is that the romance novels (except Fifty Shades) have been in print for over 15 years and all of them been made into movie/TV adaptions which I believe have helped increase their popularity.

Fifty Shades I can’t explain other than it was the first erotica and kinky book that somehow managed to make it into the mainstream and much like the book it was based on (Twilight) it got really popular because of the ease of which the everyday gal (or guy) could put herself in Anna’s shoes. Because Anna has very little personality, just like Bella!

But let’s go back to the middle grade, young adult and fantasy books. Because those are the genres that I find really interesting. In fact, I’m going to compile a list for just those books! I’m also going to add the number of books in each series.

This leaves us with 15 books.

1. Diary of a Wimpy Kid (194M) – 12 books
2. Twilight (120M) – 4 books
3. Harry Potter (510M) – 7 books
4. The Hunger Games trilogy (65M) – 3 books
5. A Series of Unfortunate Events (65M) – 13 books
6. A Song of Ice and Fire (60M) – 5 books (7)
7. The Wheel of Time (80M) – 15 books
8. Divergent trilogy (35M) – 3 books
9. The Inheritance Cycle (33M) – 4 books
10. Dork Diaries (25M) – 9 books
11. Percy Jackson & the Olympians (20M) – 5 books
12. Artemis Fowl (21M) – 8 books
13. The Sword of Truth (25M) – 12 books
14. Captain Underpants (26M) – 12 books
15. His Dark Materials (15M) – 3 books

Now I’ve not actually read Diary of a Wimpy Kid, A Series of Unfortunate Events, Dork Diaries or Captain Underpants. Probably because I’m not one of the intended audience. I have seen some TV adaptions of Unfortunate Events and part of the Wimpy kid movie though. I’ll also admit am I not totally up to snuff on The Wheel of Time or Artemis Fowl.

I have however read every book in these series more than once

1. Twilight (120M) – 4 books
2. Harry Potter (510M) – 7 books
3. The Inheritance Cycle (33M) – 4 books
4. Percy Jackson & the Olympians (20M) – 5 books
5. The Sword of Truth (25M) – 12 books
6. His Dark Materials (15M) – 3 books

and still, think they’re good reads (Twilight can be debated but it does have something that pulls you in and keeps you reading.) So I feel I pretty good about analyzing them at least!

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In Order of Most Sold Books 

Now let’s put them in order of most sold books (I’ve also added the date the first book in the series was published since the number of years the book has been in print is interesting).

1. (1997) Harry Potter (510M) – 7 books
2. (2007) Diary of a Wimpy Kid (194M) – 12 books
3. (2005) Twilight (120M) – 4 books
4. (1990) The Wheel of Time (80M) – 15 books
5. (1999) A Series of Unfortunate Events (65M) – 13 books
6. (2008) The Hunger Games trilogy (65M) – 3 books
7. (1996) A Song of Ice and Fire (60M) – 5 books (intends to write 7)
8. (2011) Divergent trilogy (35M) – 3 books
9. (2002) The Inheritance Cycle (33M) – 4 books
10. (1997) Captain Underpants (26M) – 12 books
11. (1998) The Sword of Truth (25M) – 12 books
12. (2009) Dork Diaries (25M) – 9 books
13. (2001) Artemis Fowl (21M) – 8 books
14. (2005) Percy Jackson & the Olympians (20M) – 5 books
15. (1995) His Dark Materials (15M) – 3 books

Looking at copies sold Harry Potter with the 510 million books stands out quite a bit compared to the rest of them. Potter is also the first big hit in Children’s books (I’m unsure if His Dark Materials were best sellers back when they first came out. They might have been because they are awesome. But the sales numbers are a whole lot smaller than for Potter, and they’ve been in print for twenty+ years.)

Diary of a Wimpy Kid and Twilight are pretty impressive in the number of books sold especially since they’re both from the later 00s. Diary of a Wimpy kid has 12 books though, compared to Twilight’s 4  and Potter with 7 but still, well done Wimpy Kid.

The more recent series (started during the 00s) seem to hoover some around 20-60 million copies sold and 3-5 books. I think this might be because around this time the market for MG/ YA books exploded and e-book and self-publishing became a thing. Ebooks are making books cost less to produce (like nothing) and it’s giving people worldwide access to more titles.

It’s probably going to be hard for any book out do Harry Potter and Wimpy Kid for the next few years since it clearly takes a while to build up to such huge sales. But we might se a new “phenomenon” like the Fifty Shades of Grey which has sold 125M in 6 years or the Hunger Games more “modest” 65M in 9 years.

In the future, I think there will be more books/series that end up in the lower end of this spectrum, (10-25M book sold). Mostly because with more readers than ever (because the world population is always growing) there is a constantly expanding audience. But with that being said there is also the expanding pool of material and sub-genres and ability to choose what we want to read individually via the internet /ebooks (instead of relying on what was is stocked by the local bookstore). These are all making it so that more variety of books are sold and hence less chance of one book becoming really big.

Number of Books

Now let’s talk number of books in the series. I added this because that’s a very interesting aspect.  All the ones on my 15 fave list have between 3 and 15 books, seeming to either come in around 3-5 books or 9-15. Harry Potter, Artemis Fowl and Dork Diaries books have the less common but not totally out there 7/8 books.

So why 3-5? Or the higher 9-15?

My hypothesis here is – the series with more books, each book is generally shorter and intended for a young audience. So the Diary of a Wimpy Kid, A Series of Unfortunate Events books and Captain Underpants should all be shorter. Let’s go check number of pages on Amazon!

Wimpy kid – 221 pages.

Unfortunate Events – 162 pages

Underpants -125 pages.

Okay so Wimpy Kid is a bit longer than I expected but the other two are about half the length of a “normal” book. Make sense, since these are for a younger audience who might prefer a shorter book, right?

There are also two fantasy book series, which each are 12 books long and each one of those 12 are a door stopper in of itself. These are long because they are about a larger cast or a larger event such as a full-on war/power struggle etc and because fantasy books “are” long.

So unless you’re writing for kids or writing high fantasy, maybe the 3-5 books is the preferred series length?

Then again, the most successful book on this list has 7 books, so maybe it is the more the merrier? I guess it depends on what kind of story you want to tell.

Order of Release

Let’s re-organize our list of 15 by the date the first book in the series came out. Remember, these books were not always best sellers on the first book so you might be surprised at the age of some.

1. (1990) The Wheel of Time (80M) – 15 books
2. (1995) His Dark Materials (15M) – 3 books
3. (1996) A Song of Ice and Fire (60M) – 5 books (intends to write 7)
4. (1997) Captain Underpants (26M) – 12 books
5. (1997) Harry Potter (510M) – 7 books
6. (1998) The Sword of Truth (25M) – 12 books
7. (1999) A Series of Unfortunate Events (65M) – 13 books
8. (2001) Artemis Fowl (21M) – 8 books
9. (2002) The Inheritance Cycle (33M) – 4 books
10. (2005) Twilight (120M) – 4 books
11. (2005) Percy Jackson & the Olympians (20M) – 5 books
12. (2007) Diary of a Wimpy Kid (194M) – 12 books
13. (2008) The Hunger Games trilogy (65M) – 3 books
14. (2009) Dork Diaries (25M) – 9 books
15. (2011) Divergent trilogy (35M) – 3 books

Here we can clearly see the evolution of the MG/ YA genre, starting with magic in Harry Potter followed by Artemis Fowl, Inheritance Cycle and then Twilight and Percy Jackson. Then we move into dystopia with The Hunger Games and Divergent. In the late 00s we have, for the slightly younger audience, Wimpy Kid and Dork Diaries.

Note that all none of the books since about 2000 are adult books (this includes the mystery/romance section up top too (except 50 shades).

I repeat; no new best selling series for adult has “started” since the early 2000 with the exception of 50 Shades (there has of course been new books in these ongoing series during this time.) This is very cool and really seems to mean the place to be (or more accurately; to be writing) is MG and YA.

Even in the fantasy books, characters are often fairly young, such as Eragon who starts out at 15 (I think?) and the Stark kids in the Song of Ice and Fire are all teens and many of them have POVs (Jon, Sansa, Bran, Danny).

So characters around 11 or 16 seem to be really popular in best selling series. The 11-year-olds seem to grow up about 1 year per book while the teens often stay 16-17 throughout the series (this is kind of just from what I remember, pretty sure it’s mostly right though).

World / Setting / Genre

Another thing I find super interesting about these fifteen books is the fact that only 2 of them are set in our “normal” world. The Dork Diaries and Diary of a Wimpy Kid, which are both humorous lighter books than the rest on the list (excluding Captain Underpants) and set primarily in an ordinary world, with character’s attending middle school. Captain Underpants also fits this starting out, even though we then, via hypnosis get a superhero, it is still primarily our world.

So out of 15 books 2 (3) are set in the real world.

Then we have 5 “kind-of” our world; Harry Potter, Twilight, Captain Underpants, Percy Jackson and Artemis Fowl are all set in the present day but with a hidden world of magic (or superheroes in the Captain Underpants) but with most people being clueless about it and only the characters and readers being “in” on it (except maybe Potter, where you have this whole hidden community).

Then finally we have the totally different worlds from our own which the renaming 8 fit into.

Out of these 3 are dystopian – A Series of Unfortunate Events, The Hunger Games and Divergent.  These are all magic-less worlds that our world could become. I’m counting A Series of Unfortunate Events here because it’s an odd, dark world even if it is not perhaps a straight up dystopia.

Then there are 4 series set completely in a secondary fantasy world – Wheel of Time, Sword of Truth, Song of Ice and Fire and The Inheritance Cycle.

Last, His Dark Material which straddles the line between a sort of alternate early turn of the century with magic in book 1 and then actually introduces “our” world in book 2, is a sort of mix of alternate history, fantasy and portal fantasy.

Summary: Books about other worlds/ times seem to have a distinct advantage/ interest more readers at least in the MG/ YA and fantasy section. (Most of the mystery/ romance books from the big list are more grounded in reality though).

It seems magic, alternate histories/ futures or straight up magic worlds are really interesting to people and makes for great storytelling.

 

Plot!

So I’m betting you know the plot to most of these books are about, even if you haven’t read them. But just for fun let’s list them and add a quick one-liner to each. (I’ve put them in the most sold order again.)

1. Harry Potter – A boy wizard destined to fight the dark lord start magic school.
2. Diary of a Wimpy Kid – The tale of a “Wimpy Kid’s” life in middle school.
3. Twilight – Girl moves to a small town where it always rains and falls in love with a vampire who struggles with wanting to drink her blood / kill her.
4. The Wheel of Time – Fantasy epic. Lots of battles and stuff. Not really clear on this one.
5. A Series of Unfortunate Events  – Three kids are repeatedly almost killed by their weird uncle who wants their fortune.
6. The Hunger Games trilogy – In a depressing future USA, a girl fights in a televised death match against 23(?) other teens.
7. A Song of Ice and Fire  – The war of the roses. With dragons. And sex.
8. Divergent trilogy – Society tries to put girl in a box. She rebels. Then the whole state kind of rebels.
9. The Inheritance Cycle – Boy finds a dragon egg. Egg hatches and now the evil overlord wants to kill the boy.
10. Captain Underpants – Kids turn their principle into a superhero from their favorite cartoon.
11. The Sword of Truth – A hot magical woman shows up and guy finds out he has magic destiny/ duty to destroy an evil overlord.
12. Dork Diaries – Girl starts a new private school. Doesn’t fit in.
13. Artemis Fowl – Overly smart boy captures fairy to ransom her.
14. Percy Jackson & the Olympians  – Boy finds out he’s a demigod and there is about to be a war unless someone finds Zeus’s stolen lightning bolt.
15. His Dark Materials – A girl tries to find her kidnapped friend. Lots of really awesome and weird stuff happens while she’s doing that.

What did we learn from this? Well, it’s pretty easy to explain just what the plot for each book is (with maybe the high fantasy books being exceptions since they’re often very long and about great big wars and such.)

Most also have very clear and memorable main characters. 3 of these have the name in the title. Two have Dorky/ Wimpy as a description of the main character. The rest have titles like Hunger Games and Divergent’s that both refer to the main thing in the first book (as does The Sword of Truth), giving us a hint what the main theme is and back when the book was new, made us wonder what these “Hunger Games” might be.

Random side note

I really like the Better Novel Project and think analyzing best sellers is fascinating – if you haven’t checked that site out you totally should.

Better Novel Project blog = awesome!

So what have we learned from all of this?

In the past two decades or so book series that have become best sellers have between 3-5 books (unless high fantasy or shorter books then 10-15 books in series). They’re set in a world with magic hidden from the “normal” people or a dystopian/alternate history.

Or if they’re fantasy novels – in a secondary world.

Main characters are often preteens or mid to late teens, even in fantasy.

Even a best selling series will probably not make it past the 50M books sold, much less the 100M, but they’re still best selling and most of us will know the title and basic premises.

Male main characters seem a bit more common in MG books and female heroines in YA. Love triangle in two of the YA books, but it’s good to note these are all sub-plots and not really the focus of the books (well maybe a bit in Twilight).

But perhaps most interesting and important is that almost all of these books have an easy to remember plot / tell me what it’s about / pitch sort of deal. Even though several take place in alternative worlds from ours, they’re easy to understand and explain to possible readers.

So what makes books best sellers?

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Do these statistics give us any clues? Will writing a YA book series with 4 books set in a dystopian future or fantasy world with a love triangle be guaranteed to become a best seller? Or should go for a magic school and evil overlord? Vampires? Is there some super change best selling formula?

As much as I would love to say yes, I can’t.

You can surely up your odds by writing series with some of these things. Problem is, if you write a Dystopian and try to have it published today – you’re 5-10 years late to the party. Same with the magic, vampires and such.

Because a big part of why things become bestsellers is timing.

Yup.

What becomes populate often has as a lot to do with the world as with the actual book. Timing is important. And usually, only one book will hit it real big, only to be followed by others in similar spirit relatively quickly (think back to the number of vampire books back around Twilight’s release, how Divergent’s success partly comes from the fame of the Hunger Games and the dozens of BDSM books that have followed Fifty Shades and done very well for themselves.)

Because best seller are timing as much as a great story and as we’re moving forward all the time a book that might have hit big in the early 00s isn’t going to today. As the world changes, society changes, there are different things that call to readers to certain books.

Can we still learn something from all these Best Selling Statistics I’ve drugged up?

If it’s all timing and luck pretty much, is it all useless?

No.

I find it amazing to be able to compile statics for these best sellers. To know that the MG/ YA genre is historically the one that has the most bestsellers. That younger protagonists even in fantasy are common. That magic and alternate worlds are extremely popular. What number of books most series have.

That I can make a list that I (and anyone else that wants) can use as a jumping off point.

Best selling book have…

Title: Contain the main event, character or other important and attention-grabbing thing

Plot:  Easy and clear to explain in a sentence or two.

World: Often a hidden magical one in the present day or a nonmagical dystopian future.

Character: Either young (11) and growing up during the series or 15-17 years old (and stay that way.) MD more often boys, YA more often girls.

Romance: Often part of the YA + fantasy stories, but not really focus. Some of the YA have love triangles.

Series length: 3-5 books for YA.

Theme: Something that resonates with the time or mood of the intended audience at the time of release.

Time to Fame: It often takes a long time to actually get on the best selling list on wiki, but often best sellers become popular within a few years of their release. TV shows and movies being made often make people remember or re-discover a book and increase interest in it (duh!).

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None of these elements on their own guarantees you a best seller. Nothing can do that. Not being a brilliant writer, having a great story/ premises, or the right aged character or world to set your book, will do that.

But it will help. These stats show you what has been popular in the past; what people enjoy reading.

And while you should be write things you enjoy reading, it’s good to know what others love too.

To read those book, to analyze them and see what made them work. To think about them in the time they came out. To think about the issues of today’s world and how those might effect your future readers. Think about the fun interesting ideas explored with in them – magical schools, dangerous death matches and kinky sex – these concept existed before these books made them big. But we still think of Harry Potter, The Hunger Games and Fifty Shades of Gray as the “creators” of these things. Maybe the next big thing is already out there, a amazing topic someone has just been waiting to turn into a brilliant story?

Maybe you can be that person?

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Mary Sue – Who Is She And Why She’s Bad News For Your Story

She’s got your favorite name, she’s got soulful eyes that change color, she’s the most beautiful girl ever. Everybody loves her – pets, kids, parents and all the guys (even the bad guy wants to sleep with her and falls in love with her and might even change sides for her.) She’s Miss. Perfect, and anyone who dares to insult her must pay. She’s the perfect version of you.

 

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Mary Sue concept comes from fan fiction and is a self- insertion of the author into the fandom. She have of course existed in original fiction long before fan fiction. Only in fan fiction she is often much more obvious and annoying.

Mary Sue is often named things like; Raven, Hunter, Saphira, Serena, Arwen, Ivory, Alexandra, Glory, Violet, Elisabeth or any combination of these and similar names. Sereabeth or Elexandria or maybe Ravshpire. She also has a lot of names –(Like: Raven Serenbeth Holyadria Samson Black) like five or six of them and they all mean something that has to do with her character.  At least one of the names is one the author call himself or wish she was called. Or maybe one of her/his screen names…

She of course is stunningly beautiful and the author spends A LOT of time describing her with difficult words no one really knows what they mean but they sound pretty. She has purple or maybe golden hair (or Raven black with pink high lights works too), emerald, violet or even color changing eyes and probably a special birthmarks or tattoo.  Also, she’s got a sad past, mostly with dead parents and abusive (half of the time sexually abusive) step-dads or boyfriends. She is a tortured soul and everyone must agree that the way people have treated her in the past is awful.

She not only exceptional in the looks department, but she also has a special destiny and powers far beyond anyone else. When she goes to fight the bad guy she defeats him without any real problem – or if she fails she angsts about it for several paragraph and a minor character (since everyone but Mary Sue is minor character) has to tell it wasn’t her fault and she doesn’t have to worry because everyone still likes her.

She can also sing and play lots of instruments for no good reason and has lots of money also for no real reason.

Now you’re starting to worry – if you can’t have a nice, lovable, attractive character with a special destiny, named something cool, what fun is your book going to be? You don’t want your hero to have crocked teeth (of course guys can be Mary Sues – or Gary Stu as they are mostly called,) lots of zits and average powers. You want her to be a superhero.

Don’t worry. Everything is okay in moderation, and most heroes have some Mary Sue attributes.  The trick is not to let them take over.

Your hero can be attractive – just don’t let the whole first page be about just how awesome his muscles look or how expensive all his clothes are. She can be an orphan raised by mean people, but don’t let them be horrible abusive people that are out to get her because you want the reader to feel bad for her. If they are mean there has to be a reason. Your hero can have special powers and an odd scar (you remember Harry Potter right?) but he has to have flaws (but being clumsy like Bella Swan is not a flaw – sorry S. Mayer –it’s a semi-cute quality. Being blind, anger management problems, being dishonest, a germaphobic, uncontrollable blushing, having a fear of commitment or just being very selfish, are flaws.)

There are lots of Mary Sue test you can take, but a lot of characters in fantasy will score high because most of the time in fantasy there are prophecies about chosen ones and special powers and marking. You can mostly ignore a high score, just as long as your character still is a character not a stereotype or the perfect you. Just make sure you’re being honest with yourself!

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The First Book Comes…First!?!

I spend a serious amount of time trying to find books to read. I mean I sometimes spend more time looking for something to read than actually reading it. One of the things I hate most about lists (mostly on blogs and forums) is that people sometimes list their favorite book in a series instead of the first one – like if this for example:

My favorite fantasy books

1. Harry Potter and the Order of Phoenix

2. The Good, the Bad and the Undead

3. River Marked.

And so on.

All of these are some other number rather than the first in the series. And I so wish people would post the first in a series. At least with book series where you need to read the first few books to “get” the world. (That would make the list – 1. HP & Philosopher’s stone 2. Dead Witch Walking 3. Moon Called)

I get that some people might just love one of the books super duper much. But frankly it makes it a lot hard to figure out if you read book# 1 of the series and hated it or if you might want to read book 1 before reading  the suggested book which nr #X in the series. So when not referring to a spec topic, why not just put the first book in a series first? If you love some books of the series more you can mentioned that in your “read why” section maybe?

It might sound be weird and a little wonky of me but I want to read a book, I don’t want to start with nr. 5 in the series. I want the one first and then the rest. Especially with books that are a SERIES. Which a lot of Urban Fantasy and Fantasy books are and what I read most.

At the same time I get that if you’re searching for ‘hunky millionaire’ books, you might just want books with hunky millionaires and not all books might feature that (even in the same series.) This is more common with more stand alone romance novels with a new couple in every book. Then I think it’s totally fine.. I mean sometimes you just want to read about a hunky rich dude, right?

But you gotta admit it’s kind of weird when you got to ‘best young adult novels’ and get Catching Fire instead of the Hunger Games as number one. As Goodreads thankfully these days always have the series along with the title in a (parenthesis) this is less of a problem than it used to be back in the “good old days of yore” when you looked up lists on blogs and forums more often than not. But still for me the first book still comes, well, first.

 

Inside the head of a boy…(How to write from a guy’s POV)

Writing from a guy’s POV is something I find kind of hard. It’s interesting but it also requires some different things than writing from a girl’s POV. Since I am a girl, girly things come easier to me and I tend to prefer writing from a female character’s POV for most of the story. But sometimes you need to write from a guy’s point of view and to make things easier for all the gals trying to write like a guy – I put together a list of things I found helpful to think about when writing a male character when you’re just starting out.

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This is from reading male authors, talking to some guy friends and reading about writing guys as a girl. There are apparently a few things guys do differently than women – these are not fact or anything just some things that seem to be true and help me.

Things to think about when writing from a guy’s POV

1) Gossip is stupid. At least the way girls gossip. Boys will, of course, talk about people but often it’s more direct perhaps than how girls do it (I think we tend to be sneakier and repeat things over and over).

This, of course, depends a lot on where you set your story. In high school, everyone gossips; who is dating who, who has the coolest new haircut, who got a nose job. Also, guys find a different kind of gossip interesting. Sports, who has a ‘gay’ shirt and other topics that are key in their lives (could be an art contest or Taylor Swift concert, it just depends on your character) is of course important. This applies for all characters, we don’t gossip about things that we don’t find interesting or might somehow influence us.

This is not to say boys aren’t deeply affected by gossip. They are, because men, in general, tend to have less of an emotional support network (say a mean girl class you fat. You go talk to your friends about how that upset you/ or they’re right next to you and they tell you, you’re not fat – you’re perfect the way you are. If a guy gets told he looks fat or some other insult, a friend might stand up for him (or they for themselves) but afterward guys rarely re-hash or talk about how an offensive comment affected them emotionally. So the comment might get more ‘power’ in their mind because it’s not denied by someone they care about.)

2) Can only “do” one thing at once. This is something I’ve heard a lot about and I’ve noticed in my guy friends. It’s not that they can’t do more than one thing it’s that they like it. Like if there is a problem they want to fix it before doing something else and once they have a plan to do it, go for it. I feel like me and my girlfriends tend to spend more time thinking of different ways to fix before actually doing it than my guy friends.

Which I think this is important when writing. As a woman and writing female characters I tend to skip around in their thoughts. So when writing guys I try to focus on one idea or thought or plan get full focus and then move on, rather than run a whole bunch of plans at once. I feel like this makes the character’s POV different from the female one. So while it might not be how all guys work, it’s a good way to separate the internal voices of your characters.

3) More visual. Guys are often about things they can see rather than things they can feel, at least at first. Also, a lot of studies show boys think about sex between two and three times more often than girls, so maybe keep that in mind (this does not mean all guys go around just thinking about sex all the time but when writing a male character adding them noticing something sexy about their love interest licking her lips – yes, I’m looking at you Mr. Gray – might be good.)  But this also applies to other aspects of your male characters, I find some male authors often repeat descriptions of things they like (which could just as well be his car or new sneakers as his love interest) so that could also be something to try.

What Do Guys Do?

1) They do things: Unlike girls who like to talk about what we’re going to do guys actually do things! 😛 At least that was how it always was in older books, “the passive woman” and “the active man”. There is however still a lot of this still around and in some instances, it might be worth being aware of. If you want to play the trope straight or try to subvert it is up to you.

A lot of the time, though, guys tend to “go for it” when they have an idea more than girls. Especially as teens, men can be a bit more rash which can be seen in the stats on how many more accidents teen boys are in compared to girls.

Not that there aren’t active and action focused characters that are girls and more thoughtful planers that are guys. That works and the other way around is cool too. This has a lot to do with a character’s personality and who the main character is. If your main character and POV is a girl, she needs to be the one who gets them out of trouble. She needs to take action on her own, she can’t be ‘saved’ by the male character/ hero/love interest at the end.

2) Don’t talk around things, this is another stereotypical thing but most of the time guys are a little blunter. If they don’t want to do something they just say “That sounds boring. I don’t want to do it.” while most girls go “yeah sure that’s a pretty nice idea but maybe we could do this other thing instead.” Your male character might be shy or timid and not want to offend the character he’s talking to but if that’s the case he’ll probably just shut up and go along with it. No matter how boring he thinks it sounds, rather than talk his way around it. This will, of course, differ depending on who your character is around, but overall, guys tend to have “learned” they don’t need to apologize as much for their opinions as girls.

3) Do care about their hair and clothes. This one might be obvious but I’ve seen some stories on Wattpad that makes me think it’s not. Even if you are a guy (or writing from the POV of one) you’re not going to be like “I picked up whatever was on the floor and didn’t brush my hair or teeth before leaving the house” unless your character is a complete slob. Your guy character might not pick up a pair of jeans and go “wow my butt would look so great in these” but they probably have favorite clothes they think make them look more muscular, thinner or taller too. Don’t go overboard but remember it’s not just girls that want to look hot!

Now, this is very general. Not all guys are this way – because we are all people before we’re men/women. I think what’s really most important to remember when writing male (or female character for men) is that all your characters are human (well unless they’re werewolves or wizard but you get my point). I really like what G.G.R. Martin said about writing women “You know, I’ve always considered women to be people.” I think that’s one of the key aspects of writing a character, be it a he or a she, is that s/he is an individual with dreams, desires and inner demons. So when you’re having trouble with writing a male character just remember, we’re more similar than we’re different; so focus on the character as an individual and you’ll do just fine!

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I’ve been trying to write up this little post since I got my books a few weeks back! Well my ARC copies – Advance Reader Copies! But at first I was just so excited and then once that lessened a bit I wasn’t quite able to put the excitement down on ‘paper’, so to speak.

The book is so pretty and it’s so weird to have an actual book. It’s been so long in the making it’s almost hard to believe. After all the editing and re-writing and just general stuff that takes way longer than one would think – it’s an actual book! And this isn’t even the hard cover  which I’m thinking is going to be even more awesome!

Here are some photos of the books! Just because!

Don’t you just love them? They’re even prettier for reals neither my camera nor my photographing skills really dosen’t do them justice!

Can’t wait for April 10th!

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Move Review: Descendants 2

So maybe I’m technically is getting too old for Disney movies and it is kind of dorky and way more kid friendly than I normally go for, but I still freaking love Descendants!

The Nr. 2 one more than the first one actually!

Why?

(Spoilers! duh!)

Mal turns into a dragon. So seriously awesome!

Through out the movie(s) her eyes turn green when she’s getting annoyed…first I was just like; magic vibes or whateves! Then WHAM dragon!

Totally cool! But the dragon bit isn’t the only reason why I like this movie more than the first one (normally I love book/movie/season 1 but with this one it’s different).  Probably because in this one it’s so much easier to relate to what Mel (and everyone else) really wants.

Movie one was all – we’re “bad”, but we kind of want to be “good”, our parents want us to be “bad”, life here is pretty cool, let’s spell a prince and be “bad” and then let’s just be “good”.

Kind of a lot of back and forth and all through it. And that was the point I guess. But we all knew they were going to end up being “good”. Maybe the whole problem lay in the whole either “bad” or “good” even though it was dressed some in the sense that some of the supposedly “good” students weren’t always all that nice. I felt the bad and good was a lot more blurred in movie 2.

In the first one Mal spelling Ben was also wacky. Or maybe the  unbelievable fact that  he forgave her and was into her after that. I mean, daughter of evil dragon/fairy (originally Maleficent is a fairy isn’t she?) spells you and makes you break up with your real girlfriend (and sing a rather silly song in front of the whole school) and your reaction is to think she was so into you that she used the spell and forgive her? I guess he did kind of like her before, but I’d still be weirded out.

In movie 2 we have Mal and Ben having some sort of realistic trouble with her faking being the perfect lady/princess and that’s what kicks everything off. Through out Mal is unsure  if Ben likes her for her or for the fake princess act she’s put on and in the end it’s realizing he does love her for her that ‘saves the day’. Much better love story.

Don’t get me wrong, I really liked the first one because it was more fun and light somehow (even though it had lots more worrying parent/ child borderline abuse going on in it.) But the second one just flowed better and the theme was smoother.

Movie 2 “theme”:Mal is insecure about trying to be something she’s not – she breaks up with Ben and goes back to the “Evil Island” – he follows and tries to convince her to come back, she turns him down, he gets kidnapped – she has to save him and in the fight she no choice but to go back – talks to friends about insecurities and decides to give being her a shot – Ben dumps Mal for fishy girl (because he’s been spelled) but upon realizing he does love her for her Mal breaks the curse with true love’s kiss!

Movie one message was more of a; you can be good even if your parents weren’t; you have a choice. Plus awesome songs.

Movie two: insecurities leads to trouble and you should just be yourself and people will like you for you. Plus awesome dragon.

That’s how I remember it anyway. I have’t watched movie one since it came out so it’s not as fresh in my memory.

The songs in nr. 1 were more enjoyable and catchy though (seriously sometimes I’ll suddenly go “rotten to the core, rotten to the core” for no reason). Can barely remember the songs in this one,  the girls duet and the very last one were OK but there rest I could have done without.

Kind of disappointed in Hook’s son, but that’s because OUAT messed with my head about Killian Jones! Now I expect all versions of Hook (even his kids) to be super hotties that can sing!

If they’d had this song (and this hook :P) I would have been one happy girl!

But even with the songs being a little boring at times I totally enjoyed this movie.  I love the twist with Ben being the kidnapped “king in distress” and that he’s saved by Mal… a dragon. It twists the damsel in distress as well as the princess kidnapped by a dragon  cliches awesomely.